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*A computer (already owned by many households)
*A microphone (often included with even the cheapest computers)
*Recording software (Audacity is available for free)
*A book (free from Gutenberg or from a public or personal library)
*Editing skills (easily learned from tutorials for podcasting)
*Speaking skills (overcome by welcoming all levels)
*Free time (overcome by offering short bits of projects)

Of these, the last three are probably the biggest impediments for people joining LibriVox. Librivox’s success is largely due to people identifying all the impediments and remedying them with the solutions in parenthesis above. Likewise, Wikipedia would be much less popular if everyone had to learn HTML rather than the wiki markup. On the other hand, open-source programing projects are limited in membership because programming is a difficult skill to learn.

The lesson for people wanting to start a similar project is that they need to identify what keeps people from participating, then minimize those entry costs, even at the detriment of the finished product.

]]> By: h.mcguire http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-12 h.mcguire Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:55:21 +0000 http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-12 good point... the ease of participation has several streams to it, one of them technology/tools/$, will add to the list. good point… the ease of participation has several streams to it, one of them technology/tools/$, will add to the list.

]]> By: Kristin http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-14 Kristin Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:02:48 +0000 http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-14 Also, at its very basic, the entry cost to contributing for LibriVox is access to a computer with internet. One doesn't need to be able to record to contribute, and those contributors are valued just as highly as the rest who do the recordings. Also, at its very basic, the entry cost to contributing for LibriVox is access to a computer with internet. One doesn’t need to be able to record to contribute, and those contributors are valued just as highly as the rest who do the recordings.

]]> By: Nora http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-16 Nora Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:19:54 +0000 http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-16 Great project idea. One of the things that interests me about Open Source/Copyleft etc more generally, rather than Librivox in particular, are some of the issues around business models & remuneration. I say that because if we don't think about that going in, there's an inherent class bias; participation is always going to be easier for people who are, say, professors, than for knowledge piece workers or people who work long hours for low pay levels. We all know artists, for example, who give up huge amounts of time, talent and energy in collaborative projects for the common good, (and frequently for our collective economic benefit) but who are living in real poverty. Great project idea. One of the things that interests me about Open Source/Copyleft etc more generally, rather than Librivox in particular, are some of the issues around business models & remuneration. I say that because if we don’t think about that going in, there’s an inherent class bias; participation is always going to be easier for people who are, say, professors, than for knowledge piece workers or people who work long hours for low pay levels. We all know artists, for example, who give up huge amounts of time, talent and energy in collaborative projects for the common good, (and frequently for our collective economic benefit) but who are living in real poverty.

]]> By: h.mcguire http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-17 h.mcguire Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:09:07 +0000 http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-17 HI nora, thanks for stopping by...I was planning to avoid the profit/business/money question, but phrased that way, there's an interesting question there about the actual openness of participation that I hadn't considered. though I wonder to what degree there is a difference in economics of participants between, say, open sourcey stuff and soup kitchen volunteering. the money profit question is a thorny one for projects like ours - the further we can stay away from dollars, I think, the better. but I'll add that to the list somewhere. I wonder too about the socioeconomic make-up of the LibriVox population - I have a rough idea of what it looks like, but it's kinda all over the map. would maybe be interesting to get some stats about that for the "about librivox" section. And interesting to know how it differs from other online projects. I suspect we are quite different than others but not so sure. HI nora, thanks for stopping by…I was planning to avoid the profit/business/money question, but phrased that way, there’s an interesting question there about the actual openness of participation that I hadn’t considered. though I wonder to what degree there is a difference in economics of participants between, say, open sourcey stuff and soup kitchen volunteering.

the money profit question is a thorny one for projects like ours - the further we can stay away from dollars, I think, the better. but I’ll add that to the list somewhere.

I wonder too about the socioeconomic make-up of the LibriVox population - I have a rough idea of what it looks like, but it’s kinda all over the map. would maybe be interesting to get some stats about that for the “about librivox” section. And interesting to know how it differs from other online projects. I suspect we are quite different than others but not so sure.

]]> By: Chris http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-18 Chris Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:08:18 +0000 http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-18 I agree with most of what Sayeth wrote, but I was struck by this: "On the other hand, open-source programing projects are limited in membership because programming is a difficult skill to learn". I've been a professional developer in various contexts for a while, so I like to think that knowing programming isn't a barrier for me. However, I've never joined an open-source project, despite having tried to. However good the code and documentation, there is a big learning curve to get your head around when you join even a fairly basic project at anything other than the ground floor. I think that's why so much open-source energy revolves around developing new modules, and interesting ways of plugging things together, rather than joining an existing, mature project. Sure, people do join, but it is a huge commitment in time and energy. Reading a chapter for LV has no such learning curve. You don't need to know what's going on around. You don't even have to know the book (the first chapters I read for LV were from a book I hadn't - and still haven't - read)! It's a background concern of mine for librivox, actually. The technical side isn't what makes LV what it is, but it is part of the enabling infrastructure, and I don't know how easy it would be for new people to join in. I suspect that if the existing techs all lost interest and new people volunteered, they would end up reinventing the system (again?)... Part of the reason the LV technical stuff has survived is that it has been a load of independent solutions to specific problems - a blog, a forum, a validator, a wiki, a catalog, a torrent system, a suite of server space / upload systems... and most of them have been more-or-less out of the box, existing open-source solutions. There has been no grand scheme or overall planning; just people solving problems they came across or saw others struggling with. I agree with most of what Sayeth wrote, but I was struck by this: “On the other hand, open-source programing projects are limited in membership because programming is a difficult skill to learn”.

I’ve been a professional developer in various contexts for a while, so I like to think that knowing programming isn’t a barrier for me. However, I’ve never joined an open-source project, despite having tried to. However good the code and documentation, there is a big learning curve to get your head around when you join even a fairly basic project at anything other than the ground floor. I think that’s why so much open-source energy revolves around developing new modules, and interesting ways of plugging things together, rather than joining an existing, mature project. Sure, people do join, but it is a huge commitment in time and energy.

Reading a chapter for LV has no such learning curve. You don’t need to know what’s going on around. You don’t even have to know the book (the first chapters I read for LV were from a book I hadn’t - and still haven’t - read)!

It’s a background concern of mine for librivox, actually. The technical side isn’t what makes LV what it is, but it is part of the enabling infrastructure, and I don’t know how easy it would be for new people to join in. I suspect that if the existing techs all lost interest and new people volunteered, they would end up reinventing the system (again?)…

Part of the reason the LV technical stuff has survived is that it has been a load of independent solutions to specific problems - a blog, a forum, a validator, a wiki, a catalog, a torrent system, a suite of server space / upload systems… and most of them have been more-or-less out of the box, existing open-source solutions. There has been no grand scheme or overall planning; just people solving problems they came across or saw others struggling with.

]]> By: h.mcguire http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-19 h.mcguire Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:41:12 +0000 http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-19 If you look at our software solutions, they too are nominally open source, but in reality most people who offer help would need so much management to make sure their help was the right kind, that it sort of closes the system. the learning curve on both ends (help offerer and help receiver) is just too high to make it worthwhile. whereas on LV side, we've done a number of things to make it easy to participate, including our systems and our documentation. I agree that if everyone on tech end left we'd have trouble keeping things going...which is why one of the critical issues in LV is ongoing bolstering of moderator/admin ranks, so that there is a kind of continuity. Projects like LV get high turnover rates, and one really important thing is to make sure new blood is coming in and learning the ropes. To rebuild the system from scratch would be ... well it would be a whole new process. going back to software, I think the modular system is the real success of open source. not so much big projects, but the little projects, where chunks of code are made available in blocks and then developers can use those blocks how they like. a big toolkit, where no one asks what sort of chair should this hammer build... but rather lets make a hammer that hits nails well. this, i guess, is the big power of open source over proprietary software : the propietary guys want to control how you use your software, whereas open source stuff is built specifically so that you ca modify it as you like for your own purposes. this doesn;t really apply, I don;t think, to LV as a whole (or does it? maybe we're doing this on a cultural level, when we say, please, use these files however you like) tho certainly it applies to the software we have implemented. If you look at our software solutions, they too are nominally open source, but in reality most people who offer help would need so much management to make sure their help was the right kind, that it sort of closes the system. the learning curve on both ends (help offerer and help receiver) is just too high to make it worthwhile.

whereas on LV side, we’ve done a number of things to make it easy to participate, including our systems and our documentation. I agree that if everyone on tech end left we’d have trouble keeping things going…which is why one of the critical issues in LV is ongoing bolstering of moderator/admin ranks, so that there is a kind of continuity. Projects like LV get high turnover rates, and one really important thing is to make sure new blood is coming in and learning the ropes. To rebuild the system from scratch would be … well it would be a whole new process.

going back to software, I think the modular system is the real success of open source. not so much big projects, but the little projects, where chunks of code are made available in blocks and then developers can use those blocks how they like.

a big toolkit, where no one asks what sort of chair should this hammer build… but rather lets make a hammer that hits nails well. this, i guess, is the big power of open source over proprietary software : the propietary guys want to control how you use your software, whereas open source stuff is built specifically so that you ca modify it as you like for your own purposes.

this doesn;t really apply, I don;t think, to LV as a whole (or does it? maybe we’re doing this on a cultural level, when we say, please, use these files however you like) tho certainly it applies to the software we have implemented.

]]> By: Community vs. Crowd - Lunch with Kempton Lam, co-author of iStockphoto case study » Billions With Zero Knowledge http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-27 Community vs. Crowd - Lunch with Kempton Lam, co-author of iStockphoto case study » Billions With Zero Knowledge Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:19:00 +0000 http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-27 [...] My friend Hugh McGuire has a new blog TextoSolvo where he is exploring some of the same concepts of community based open collaborative projects. As the community leader of the Librivox project he has a lot of experience to add to this conversation. Check out his project outline that includes the concepts he plans to explore. [...] […] My friend Hugh McGuire has a new blog TextoSolvo where he is exploring some of the same concepts of community based open collaborative projects. As the community leader of the Librivox project he has a lot of experience to add to this conversation. Check out his project outline that includes the concepts he plans to explore. […]

]]> By: TextoSolvo · Clarity (Why It Worked #1) http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-245 TextoSolvo · Clarity (Why It Worked #1) Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:57:48 +0000 http://textosolvo.net/2006/11/20/project-outline/#comment-245 [...] In the rough project outline I gave a long list of some of the reasons I think LibriVox has been successful. I’m going to try to write about each one separately, and in no particular order. This post is about Clarity, in my opinion the most important pragmatic (rather than thematic) reasons for success of LibriVox. Clarity comes in a variety of guises, all of them important and I’ll touch on each of them individually: [...] […] In the rough project outline I gave a long list of some of the reasons I think LibriVox has been successful. I’m going to try to write about each one separately, and in no particular order. This post is about Clarity, in my opinion the most important pragmatic (rather than thematic) reasons for success of LibriVox. Clarity comes in a variety of guises, all of them important and I’ll touch on each of them individually: […]

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